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googol
09-12-2006, 08:56 PM
Over a while I have heard people be astonished over the properties of PHI, stressing it's "Importance" in mathematics , geometry, art, history, and the stucture of humans. However, the deeper I expanded my knowledge on the matter the more I began to dought it. Even today I see no convincing evidence that PHI and the fibonancci numbers are not arbitrary. What is your opinion on the matter?

Epsilon=One
09-12-2006, 11:50 PM
Over a while I have heard people be astonished over the properties of PHI, stressing it's "Importance" in mathematics , geometry, art, history, and the stucture of humans. However, the deeper I expanded my knowledge on the matter the more I began to dought it. Even today I see no convincing evidence that PHI and the fibonancci numbers are not arbitrary. What is your opinion on the matter?You couldn't be more mistaken.

The Golden Ratio, Phi, "Φ" and the Fibonacci sequence are not arbitrary. They are a direct manifestation of Nature. They are closely related to the Natural source of mathematics upon which the discipline of physics is dependent.

The Golden Ratio (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=105), Phi, "Φ"; the revised Fibonacci sequence (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/rFs); and, the soliton (http://www.physicsmathforums.com/showthread.php?t=213) are ubiquitous throughout Nature. This is because they are closely related to the most findamental concepts of physics such as "time" and the geometry of the quantum and light.

If you are confused; or cannot understand the thrust of my comments, keep asking questions.

googol
09-13-2006, 12:07 AM
You couldn't be more mistaken.

...they are closely related to the most findamental concepts of physics such as "time" and the geometry of the quantum and light.

If you are confused; or cannot understand the thrust of my comments, keep asking questions.

Okay, how is PHI related to physical concepts?

Epsilon=One
09-13-2006, 04:25 PM
Okay, how is PHI related to physical concepts?The Golden Ratio, Phi, "Φ" is the complement to the Natural function (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/NF) (NF) on the major radial of a fundamental ellipsoidal quantum. Thus, a Pulse, "P," equal to Phi, "Φ"; evolves to a soliton, "s," of One; a wave, "w" of 2; and, a hypotenuse, "h" of 3. These integer values all have the Elliptical Constant (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/EC) as a common denominator and, thus, there is some minimal harmony that is the essence of all particles (fermions and bosons).

Of course, all quanta are related to the Brunardot Series (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/BS) (BS) where all adjacent pairs of terms converge to the Golden Ratio, Phi, "Φ."

The Golden Ratio is pleasing to most persons because it is intrinsic to our chemistry.

For additional info see:

Post #2 of this Thread (http://physicsmathforums.com/showpost.php?p=1752&postcount=2);

Pulsoid Theory: an Overview (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/OV).

The Transcendental Mystique of the Number . . . 5 (http://www.CQthus.com/PT/5); are you aware of the Golden Ratio's link to the number Five, "5"?

If still not clear, ask specific questions.

googol
09-13-2006, 10:17 PM
I understand you now. I just don't like how some claims of PHI relationships are exagurated, like how people say that "curiously" PHI is expressable with only 5's ((5^.5)*5+.5), which is is simply not true. Because the only reason half is expressable as .5 is because we use 10 (5*2) as the base of our number system. I looked into the sites listed, and I unsterstand what your saying now. I guess I'm just a little mad because of all the false claims floating around everywhere.

Epsilon=One
09-14-2006, 12:05 AM
I understand you now. I just don't like how some claims of PHI relationships are exagurated, like how people say that "curiously" PHI is expressable with only 5's ((5^.5)*5+.5), which is is simply not true. Because the only reason half is expressable as .5 is because we use 10 (5*2) as the base of our number system. I looked into the sites listed, and I unsterstand what your saying now. I guess I'm just a little mad because of all the false claims floating around everywhere.I now understand where you're coming from; and, I agree with you.

I'm impressed that you can see more deeply than base 10. Phi as generated by Nature, or geometry, is a ratio that is independent of any base.