Reality Is Relative and Kabbalah Uses This Fact

[svetlu]

If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one to hear it, did it really fall? And does that tree even exist? Classical science has changed its mind about this again and again, and lately it has taken a direction that is remarkably similar to what the wisdom of Kabbalah has been saying for thousands of years.

But first, a brief history detour. For centuries, scientific research was based on the belief that reality and the observer are two distinct entities. Reality was thought to be objective, to exist regardless of whether there is someone observing it or not. In other words, scientists thought that the tree exists in the forest whether there's anyone to see it or not. But further research in the 20th century proved this to be wrong, and that reality is relative - it depends on the observer.

In the 1920s, Albert Einstein was the first to introduce this concept. He showed that the observer's velocity causes his reality to change. Later on, scientists went even further and concluded that reality does not depend just on the observer's velocity, but that it is altogether subjective and exists exactly to the extent that the observer perceives it. In other words, we perceive everything through our own properties, so that if our properties change, our perceived picture of the world changes as well.

This discovery revolutionized the scientific world; however, it was no innovation to the world of Kabbalah. For centuries, Kabbalah books have described that reality is relative, subjective, dependent on the observer, and changes according to his attitude to it. Kabbalah has always advanced the idea that the picture we perceive depends solely on us and does not exist outside of us. In fact, the reality we see is a reflection of our inner qualities, and if we change our qualities, we will perceive a completely different reality.


So both Kabbalah and science aim to broaden our picture of reality through scientific research, but when it comes to changing the observer's qualities in order to do so, they part ways.

Even though a scientist may know that the findings of his research depend on his own qualities, he doesn't work on developing himself as a part of his research. In other words, whatever an ordinary scientist investigates understands and reveals, remains as something that is "outside" him.

A Kabbalist, on the other hand, develops himself as a part of his research. He doesn't just recognize the fact that reality is subjective, that it depends on the observer's qualities, but actually utilizes it. Hence, a Kabbalist's new finding is a profound feeling and understanding. It becomes an actual part of his reality. This is why Kabbalist's call it an "attainment" or "Hasaga" in Hebrew, meaning that one tangibly "grasps" the feeling and knowledge the way one grasps something with his very hands.

[svetlu]

Watch this interesting video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&NR=1
What do you think about it?

[Epsilon=One]

Originally Posted by svetlu

Watch this interesting video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4&NR=1
What do you think about it?

I find the video to be highly deceptive in that much that it presents is accurate but the conclusions that are drawn are ludicrous.

Do not use this forum to post information that is not yours without offering an opinion on what you are posting. This forum is not a bulletin board for the internet. Many such posting are removed on a daily basis.

[Epsilon=One]

Originally Posted by svetlu

In the 1920s, Albert Einstein was the first to introduce this concept. He showed that the observer's velocity causes his reality to change. Later on, scientists went even further and concluded that reality does not depend just on the observer's velocity, but that it is altogether subjective and exists exactly to the extent that the observer perceives it. In other words, we perceive everything through our own properties, so that if our properties change, our perceived picture of the world changes as well.

One must be a realist to survive. Einstein was concerned with speeds beyond that which any observer we know of is capable of reaching. I can assure you that if you did not exist the moon and Kabbalah would still exist.

Originally Posted by svetlu

This discovery revolutionized the scientific world; however, it was no innovation to the world of Kabbalah. For centuries, Kabbalah books have described that reality is relative, subjective, dependent on the observer, and changes according to his attitude to it.

Much has "revolutionized the scientific world" that is simply not true, misapplied, or misunderstood. The “scientific world” as currently comprised is entirely theoretical and based solely upon metaphysics; and, is thus, a poor example for comparison wisdom.

There is no more direct relationship between Kabbalah and truth than for any other faith based belief, while there is much mysticism that for many, as with all religions, can be enervating for those that are seeking truth.

The philosophy that you present herein, be it truth or not, belongs to mankind and it is misleading for it to be used as a proselyting tool for Kabbalah.

Originally Posted by svetlu

A Kabbalist, on the other hand, develops himself as a part of his research. He doesn't just recognize the fact that reality is subjective, that it depends on the observer's qualities, but actually utilizes it. Hence, a Kabbalist's new finding is a profound feeling and understanding. It becomes an actual part of his reality. This is why Kabbalist's call it an "attainment" or "Hasaga" in Hebrew, meaning that one tangibly "grasps" the feeling and knowledge the way one grasps something with his very hands.

Three times you refer to a Kabbalist in masculine terms; are you or the cult sexist?

[svetlu]

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

Three times you refer to a Kabbalist in masculine terms; are you or the cult sexist?

Of course, I am

What, do you want me to write him/her , he/she, his/her or even her/him, she/he, her/his etc.

This will be funny if we all do it.

However there is a deep meaning behind this he/she thing. According to Kabbalah only man has to go through correction and woman just supports him in this process. But this is a different discussion.

So, back to reality

What is the difference between reality and imagination?

According to Merriam-Webster, Imagination is 1: the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality, Reality is 1: the quality or state of being real.

[godaddybacks]

let me think, bro. lol.

[HarleQuin]

personally i find god the most appealing of all. I mean Paradise...What a hope. Keep up the good work.

[Fedez]

Originally Posted by HarleQuin

personally i find god the most appealing of all. I mean Paradise...What a hope. Keep up the good work.

think about what you said...

[HarleQuin]

I recently masturbated and wonder to the good lord will i ever get pregnant?
Because lets face it....you never know.

[Fedez]

i absolutely understand what you're saying svetlu,

I congratulate you for having the intelligence to reach this far in your quest for big answers to big questions...

but these people have no idea,

just reading thier posts, "yes your posts", which keep reaffirming the idea that existence is not relative and svetlu is wrong, saddens me,

I know you're following your intuition which just can't seem to get around the idea that, the very computer you're typing on doesnt actually exist. You must be thinking, "how does it not exist?" i can touch it, see it, percieve it, write philosophy on it. Well my dear friends, if thats what you thought you were absolutely not thinking correctly and have npot understood svetlu here.

You see, what svetlu is saying is this. You only think it exists (your computer), but there's nothing to compare your thoughts with. No other concious besides the human mind. Which is of a different nature and could say, "yes i think it exists as well".

Heck, even comparison with another concious is a concept which is relative and might not even exist. Existence and non-existence are also relative, ther words i speak now are also relative.


AND YOU SEE, svetlu my friend, if you know what you're talking about, beware the of the countless paradoxes. Logical circles, which exist and don't exist at teh same time. Do you understand teh implications of relativisim.

huh svetlu?????



NOTHING EXISTS!!!!! IF ALL IS RELATIVE.... NOT EVEN THIS STATEMENT< OR THIS STATEMENT < OR THIS STATEMENT.

surpirse another circular argument.


BUT THATS ALRIGHT, because if all is relative then we dont really need to advance or reach conclusions, or do anything for that matter do we?