Begining of time

[thejoshrules]

I was thinking tonight about this one book i was reading, called "A Darkness at Sethanon", from the riftwars saga, and in that book a couple magicians went to the begining of time.

As i thought of the begining of time, it occured to me that at the begining of time there was no mass, no matter; basically nothingness, and if nothingness was there, then how did we get to how we are now, with mass and matter? Mass and matter cannot be created by nothingness, they can only be changed into smaller sizes or somthing but never destroyed or created, but sometime at the begining of time, matter was created from nothingness.

Now in nothingness there is nothing happening because there is nothing to making nothing happen. Therefore there is no action, and yet there was some reaction which is how we are here today and how mass and matter exist.

So as i thought more, i began to understand at the begining of time physics did not exist until some reaction happend without an action to create the laws of physics therefore creating matter with laws, to never be destroyed or made more of.

How was this possible, what kind of reaction would have no action, that could result in somthing accually happening. And create the laws of physics and matter and mass.

(This is even before the big bang theory, becuase the big bang theory was explained to have gasses combine together to create a huge explotion. But my question is about the begining of time when gasses did not exist.)

Now if nothingness could of created something, then at one time the laws of physics did not exist but existed the (closest unit to time to 0) after that reaction.

Since physics does exist at this moment in time, this reaction can never occur again. But yet there must be a loophole in our understanding of the laws of physics because if the laws of physics can be created then the laws physics could also be destroyed.

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

Answer #1) by a thought (no, no proof/proving)

Answer #2) E=mc^2 means energy and Matter are (somehow) equivalent/equal AKA the same 'thing'

In physics, fusion (Wikipedia.org) reactions have been theorized as being the Birthplace of matter by 'energetic interactions' as yet, not completely understood....but, therein is an item called the "Mass defect" (in alpha Particle formation) in which we can surmise that some of the energy that was there, is NOW there as 'Mass' ......so, from that we can extrapolate that 'Mass/Matter' is made of energy (as it is demonstrable/demonstrated in/by an Atomic Bomb) .....so, in the beginning all we really need is energy....AKA a Thought.....(Gods')

BTW there is no such thing as "time" that is simply an Ideal(istic)-belief that we all use, and follow.....

[thejoshrules]

Lol sorry for the novic question about time, i should of new that, im 16 so im not as experienced as you guys. , but still, I like to think about the wonders of the world and life.

Ps.-You said that the reason people,(not the only reason) believe in gods, is because there had to be some place where this energy came from in the begining, and this had to be a lot of energy. Well what is your thoughts or anyones other thoughts about where this energy came from, even before the begining.
-besides gods.
no offence

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

Originally Posted by thejoshrules

Lol sorry for the novic question about time, i should of new that, im 16 so im not as experienced as you guys. , but still, I like to think about the wonders of the world and life.

Ps.-You said that the reason people,(not the only reason) believe in gods, is because there had to be some place where this energy came from in the begining, and this had to be a lot of energy. Well what is your thoughts or anyones other thoughts about where this energy came from, even before the begining.
-besides gods.
no offence

One God ...that Being the Infinite.

Nice to see (read) you here though, please stick around! and Keep asking Any Kind of Question....Novice/Expert/Stupid-(Questions Never Are)/inane ....well maybe not 'inane' but you get the idea, Right?

(just careful about the adult stuff, (I)'m not allowed/sorta)

[black eyes]

Why must people assume that they can know the complete picture of everything?
Why is it important for there to be an understandable beginning of everything? We don't even know what is in the lower levels of the oceans or in the forests of the world. We don't understand bacteria or viruses.

What is vitally important is to understand why things work in our existance first. Why physics works in our perceptible world. How this planet functions and the life forms on it.

Distance space is not at all important when this planet cannot even dope with our own weather systems and tectonic actions.

This world is all that matters to humans or there won't be any humans to wonder about anything else. Unlike almost anyother creature here, humans could literally disapear in a geological blink of an eye with just a severe, temporary disturbance in our continuity. Humans need a wide and diverse gene pool, and it we are reduced to less than the barrier, we won't bounce back like a reptile or bird or insect. Human life will falter and die off.

Space and the Universe pale in comparison to a uniform safe birth procedure, or worldwide health care. Science doesnot exist in a vacuum. If the civilizations of this Earth fall apart then Science is the first to go.

black eyes

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

Originally Posted by black eyes

Why must people assume that they can know the complete picture of everything?

Uhhmmm maybe because the truth of reality is a 'Self evident' thing ....for those who look properly, with microscopes and telescopes and ....with their MINDS...

Originally Posted by black eyes

Why is it important for there to be an understandable beginning of everything? We don't even know what is in the lower levels of the oceans or in the forests of the world. We don't understand bacteria or viruses.

Because it helps us to know "where we are" and "where we are going" because that was "pointed at" in/from the beginning...

Originally Posted by black eyes

What is vitally important is to understand why things work in our existance first. Why physics works in our perceptible world. How this planet functions and the life forms on it.

That is why we explore the Galaxies, and the Universe, as they are all tied together...

Originally Posted by black eyes

Distance space is not at all important when this planet cannot even dope with our own weather systems and tectonic actions.

Studieing it on other planets Might just help us to Understand our Own Waaaaay better....

Originally Posted by black eyes

This world is all that matters to humans or there won't be any humans to wonder about anything else. Unlike almost anyother creature here, humans could literally disapear in a geological blink of an eye with just a severe, temporary disturbance in our continuity. Humans need a wide and diverse gene pool, and it we are reduced to less than the barrier, we won't bounce back like a reptile or bird or insect. Human life will falter and die off.

Unlike almost any other creature? you mean Like Dodos' or the Dinosaurs or {insert list of Extincted (by humans & otherwise) Species} that have Historically died off...

If all of the Humans were to 'die off' whom would care?

Originally Posted by black eyes

Space and the Universe pale in comparison to a uniform safe birth procedure, or worldwide health care. Science doesnot exist in a vacuum. If the civilizations of this Earth fall apart then Science is the first to go. black eyes

If Civilizations "fall apart" then everything goes, Including Uniform Safe birth procedures, AND Universal health care as BOTH of those are offshoots of Civilization AND Science.

[Epsilon=One]

Originally Posted by black eyes

Why must people assume that they can know the complete picture of everything?
Why is it important for there to be an understandable beginning of everything?

Such rationalization is important because I know of no other way to reunite Science, Theology, and Philosophy. Our very survival, or at least, life as we have come to know it may depend upon such a reuniting.

Originally Posted by black eyes

We don't even know what is in the lower levels of the oceans or in the forests of the world. We don't understand bacteria or viruses.

Every day great strides are being made. The understanding of one enigma will probably unravel all of them. I consider that Pulsoid Theory generally rationalizes all fundamental enigmas . . . the remainder will require a bit of tweaking and research.

Originally Posted by black eyes

What is vitally important is to understand why things work in our existance first. Why physics works in our perceptible world. How this planet functions and the life forms on it.

I know of no other way to eliminate an anthropic god, which concept seems to be increasingly tearing apart all society and undermining the individual psyche.

Originally Posted by black eyes

Distance space is not at all important when this planet cannot even dope with our own weather systems and tectonic actions.

Everything is interactive.

Originally Posted by black eyes

This world is all that matters to humans or there won't be any humans to wonder about anything else. Unlike almost anyother creature here, humans could literally disapear in a geological blink of an eye with just a severe, temporary disturbance in our continuity. Humans need a wide and diverse gene pool, and it we are reduced to less than the barrier, we won't bounce back like a reptile or bird or insect. Human life will falter and die off.

You are making my point.

Originally Posted by black eyes

Space and the Universe pale in comparison to a uniform safe birth procedure, or worldwide health care. Science doesnot exist in a vacuum. If the civilizations of this Earth fall apart then Science is the first to go.

You continue to make my point. I consider academic, theoretical “scientists” who support the Standard Models and their extensions as a large part of the “problem.”

I particularly, exclude from the problem group research scientists and those that work outside of academia; and, particularly those that function independent of peer revue.

There may be some differences in our viewpoints; or a subtle different emphasis; however, I don’t have any substantial disagreement with your attitude...

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

© Mr. Robin Parsons Kingston Ontario Canada MMVI

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

...life as we have come to know it may depend upon such a reuniting.

POOPEE'S are you Gay...

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

You are making my point.

Oh! so you 'admit it' ...(I) see...

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

...I consider that Pulsoid Theory...will require a bit of tweaking and research....

Thats what we'all been tellin ya, it don't woik.

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

...You continue to make my point...

O.K.

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

I know of no... ...way to eliminate an anthropic god

Yes, but why would anyone who could feel (anything) want to Poopee?

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

...I particularly, exclude from the problem group research scientists... ...academia; and, particularly those that function independent... ..peer revue.

Finally, you see the light of DAY.

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

I... ...have any substantial disagreement with your attitude... ...

Why POOPEE'S How rude of YOU!!

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

...The understanding of one enigma will probably unravel all of them....

But that's What (I) been tellin Ya POOPEE'S G-R-AV-I--T-Y ....and you ain't got it.....

Want more? (sarc) "Oh Great and glorious POOP'ER" du Jour...

[heikki]

Originally Posted by black eyes

Why must people assume that they can know the complete picture of everything?

black eyes

My thought is that there is only one reason, fear.

Fear mix human brains and mind to invent many kind of theoryes and believe that these thoughts are nature-thruth.

Of cource we cannot study this world forward so long time and also past and we dont see(images come) long(far away) to space.

But we can mix our clear thoughts and our mind of thinking too much also and reading many stuff what has born, because of, fear.

Black eyes. I have green eyes and you have clear opinions of this forum.

[Epsilon=One]

Originally Posted by Epsilon=One

Every day great strides are being made. The understanding of one enigma will probably unravel all of them. I consider that Pulsoid Theory generally rationalizes all fundamental enigmas . . . the remainder will require a bit of tweaking and research.

Originally Posted by Mr. Robin Parsons (Deceptively edited)

...I consider that Pulsoid Theory...will require a bit of tweaking and research....

Originally Posted by Mr. Robin Parsons (Comment to above deception)

Thats what we'all been tellin ya, it don't woik.

The quote that the above comment refers to has been deceptively taken out of context as can clearly be seen by looking at the original where it can be seen that the "tweaking and research" refers to "enigmas" and not "Pulsoid Theory."

Mr. Robin Parsons seems incapable of honesty in his postings as is evident to anyone that bothers to analyze his style.

It is very difficult to know when, if at all, to trust his quotations and comments.

This thread contains some important concepts that should not be interrupted by deceptive quotes and scurrilous comments as are so evident throughout Mr. Robin Parsons' postings.